Originally a talk I gave at a lunch meeting with several ZBOs.

ZBO stands for independent administrative body. These are the government agencies that have independent governance but belong to a ministry.

That this is a complex construction, you will already understand. But how do you work constructively with a ministry when you work for a ZBO? Without jeopardizing your independent position in the process?

Listen to this podcast episode of CISO Fleur van Leusden